P3 Cycle and Lustre Gel
I've been using Lustre Gel for almost a year and did not have good luck at all adding the gel in purple phase and firing on P3 because when I would fire all of the glaze would melt to the bottom and pool at the cervical edge. I recently read a post, saying that P3 was ok because of how the cycle worked, so I figured I would try again. My crown turned out really really shiny but has a melted appearance and literally all of my color, especially the blue, went straight to the cervical. I removed it, re-stained/glazed and placed it on the 10 min cycle that GC recommends. So just a warning, if you want to add a lot of color, be careful with P3 because it is easy to melt it all together...
Here was my end result... I'm loving her new smile! #8 Bioreference with e.max A2 HT and Lustre Gel for the stain and glaze.
Good lord Kris. I'm going to have to come out there and get schooled sometime. You got skillz!!
Great job!!! You should tell everyone that this was an endo tooth as well...I think your thought process for block selection for HT is not something everyone would think of at first...
I would but that was my other anterior case this morning you saw ;) This one did not have a root canal. I'll post the other pics when the tissue heals a little more.
On 3/9/2016 at 5:49 pm, John Pasicznyk said...Good lord Kris. I'm going to have to come out there and get schooled sometime. You got skillz!!
You will just have to come out for some wine too and I'll try to school you in some golf too! :)
The patient must be thrilled! Nice job and great practice builder! Where did you learn most of your techniques?
From Level 4 class at Scottsdale, Mike Skramstead photoshopping and critiquing my work and this board :)
I took my first level 4 class about 6 years ago and fell in love with anteriors. It took me a lot of practice, patience and playing. Knowing that if it doesn't work I can just polish it off helps too. It's easy to restart with a blank canvas.
Looks great! I love using both GC Lustre Paste NF and Indenco's Frit System and have no problems per say using both in the blue phase. If I were to give a slight nod of one over the other I'd give it to Indenco. Their frit system and fluorescent glaze I find just gives a little more three dimensional color. But I do love using both systems and they are both awesome.
Kris,
Ditto on Daniel's post! Amazing. I tried a bio reference in 4.4 and didn't get a good proposal. Did you get a great one or did you have to do a lot of work to get such a great result? I haven't tried the luster pastes yet.
Carrie
I actually got a great proposal. Pretty minimal design time. Lustre Gel is great but more technique sensitive for sure so if you are thinking about it then practice first!
Kris,
Thank you. I will try bioreference again then at the time I was told a no go in 4.4. Not many responded too new at the time I guess.
Carrie
Thank you! 480 C is the starting temp according to GC. 100 C just happened to be what my oven was at when I took the picture.
GC also recommends having the final temp at 780 C not 760 C. I've been playing with this temp to get a less melted appearance. I would start at 780 and see how you do.
Mix up the gel really well before you apply it. That helps with the graininess.
Last Friday I spent the day at GC in Alsip, IL; taking a porcelain class taught by Mitch Hurst, brilliant lab tech. We used the LiSi porcelain system and Lustre paste.
Mitch recommended using the high temp of 750-755 to avoid the melty appearance, and in my Programat, 755 sees to be better than 760; but he recommended playing with different temps to see how it works in whatever oven you use.
His parameters were as follows for Lustre paste:
start temp-403, rise 70 degrees/minute, no vac, no hold, high temp 750-755. high temp will vary from oven to oven. bump the temp up or down a few degrees to get more or less of a glazed surface.
